This is probably the last I post about warnings, uh, hopefully. Because the allergies thing pissed me off in the way that it is neither true to my (lifelong) experience of allergies, nor is it true to my opinions about warnings and triggers. So, here's the comment by
liviapenn:
I'm a person with food sensitivities. If I go to a potluck and everything isn't labeled with ingredient lists, what can I do? Ideally everyone would have labeled their food. But they didn't. Is it fair that the burden is on me to avoid eating things that might be perfectly fine, just because I *can't be sure?* No, it isn't. But the burden is still on me. That's just the way it *is.* And that being the case, if someone pointed out to me, "You know, here's a helpful way you could figure out what to eat-- why don't you track down the person who brought it, and ask them what they put in it? Or have a friend taste it first?" That person isn't even commenting on whether the food should or shouldn't have labels. She's pointing out that realistically, in the situation that we're in right now, there *are things* I can do to prevent myself from breaking out in hives. (
liviapenn in zvi’s journal)
Man, whatever. I am also a person with food allergies. In fact, I have had several near-death experiences due to unlabeled or falsely labeled food. If I to go to a potluck then the situation is usually this: either the people participating know about my allergies and avoid that particular ingredient/label their food accordingly, or the people participating will ask the other participants whether anyone has food allergies. It doesn’t mean I don’t still have to ask if I suspect that something contains the things I'm allergic to, but it does mean that I don’t have to ask about every single thing.
There are several allergies that are very common, and that are explicitly warned for on most store bought foods (at least in the UK there are separate warnings about things like peanuts, milk, egg, etc.). If I don’t see a list of ingredients and don’t expect the product to contain the thing I’m allergic to, I will eat it, because I can’t go around being scared of getting an allergic reaction every time I eat something. Similarly, if I had to ask the cook every time I had a meal, I’d probably never eat anything that hadn’t been prepared by myself or someone who knows about my allergies. I’d be hugely limited in my choice of food, and I’d often go without. As a kid I often experienced that, because many people didn’t realize that you couldn’t cook things in butter when someone is allergic to milk, and restaurants didn’t have substitutes available. It sucked. I don’t want fandom to suck, and I don’t want anyone sitting at the table eating raisins instead of cake, just because there’s no list of ingredients. So I think fandom needs to be informed about triggers and the importance of warnings. Writing about noncon and not warning about it is like putting peanuts in a cake and not mentioning that it contains peanuts. It will most likely hurt someone. And I do think we all have a responsibility to not knowingly hurt each other. Be the change you wanna see, and all that jazz.
I'm a person with food sensitivities. If I go to a potluck and everything isn't labeled with ingredient lists, what can I do? Ideally everyone would have labeled their food. But they didn't. Is it fair that the burden is on me to avoid eating things that might be perfectly fine, just because I *can't be sure?* No, it isn't. But the burden is still on me. That's just the way it *is.* And that being the case, if someone pointed out to me, "You know, here's a helpful way you could figure out what to eat-- why don't you track down the person who brought it, and ask them what they put in it? Or have a friend taste it first?" That person isn't even commenting on whether the food should or shouldn't have labels. She's pointing out that realistically, in the situation that we're in right now, there *are things* I can do to prevent myself from breaking out in hives. (
Man, whatever. I am also a person with food allergies. In fact, I have had several near-death experiences due to unlabeled or falsely labeled food. If I to go to a potluck then the situation is usually this: either the people participating know about my allergies and avoid that particular ingredient/label their food accordingly, or the people participating will ask the other participants whether anyone has food allergies. It doesn’t mean I don’t still have to ask if I suspect that something contains the things I'm allergic to, but it does mean that I don’t have to ask about every single thing.
There are several allergies that are very common, and that are explicitly warned for on most store bought foods (at least in the UK there are separate warnings about things like peanuts, milk, egg, etc.). If I don’t see a list of ingredients and don’t expect the product to contain the thing I’m allergic to, I will eat it, because I can’t go around being scared of getting an allergic reaction every time I eat something. Similarly, if I had to ask the cook every time I had a meal, I’d probably never eat anything that hadn’t been prepared by myself or someone who knows about my allergies. I’d be hugely limited in my choice of food, and I’d often go without. As a kid I often experienced that, because many people didn’t realize that you couldn’t cook things in butter when someone is allergic to milk, and restaurants didn’t have substitutes available. It sucked. I don’t want fandom to suck, and I don’t want anyone sitting at the table eating raisins instead of cake, just because there’s no list of ingredients. So I think fandom needs to be informed about triggers and the importance of warnings. Writing about noncon and not warning about it is like putting peanuts in a cake and not mentioning that it contains peanuts. It will most likely hurt someone. And I do think we all have a responsibility to not knowingly hurt each other. Be the change you wanna see, and all that jazz.

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omg, the speciousness of the food allergy parallel makes me want to stand on a table with a bullhorn and yell WHAT PART OF "LOGICAL FALLACY" DO YOU PPL NOT UNDERSTAND?! thank you so much for addressing it.
Oh, and if we were all in the same room and able to ask about warnings in person, the idea of the survivor of trauma asking about potential triggers may be slightly more practical, but as it is? We comment or send an email, it may be hours or days before we get a reply, and that is way more effort and time than I'd want to spend looking for some quick and easy entertainment! Just. INVALID ANALOGY.
i am allergic to some kinds of bees but not others, so as long as people don't mislabel their bees, i'm okay.ALSO DID YOU HEAR I GOT BANNED FROM SOMEONE'S LJ FOR BEING AWESOME? HELL YEAH \o/
lolol ilu! Are you allergic to bumblebees? Those fuckers have actual fur, I used to pet them as a kid! :D
Yes, actually. :( :( I got stung but a huge one in New Jersey and my body was like "lol NOW YOUR EYES ARE SWOLLEN SHUT AND YOU WILL BE COVERED IN ANGRY HIVES!"
And lo, my eyes swelled shut and I was covered in angry hives. :(
looooool you are like queen of the bumblebees.